Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Christian dance, electronic, and techno artists

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) —Theopolisme 14:42, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

List of Christian dance, electronic, and techno artists

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Article does not cite a single source or provide any proof of the subject's notability. Invisiboy42293 (talk) 19:26, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

• Comment: A Google search revealed results, primarily in print media, for Christian dance, Christian electronic/electronica, and Christian techno. Whether there is enough content for each of these styles to get their own Wikipedia article, I don't know. But the terms do exist. My point is, should we have a list of Christian artists who play certain styles of music, when those styles do not have their own articles on Wikipedia?--¿3family6 _contribs 15:07, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:00, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:00, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:00, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

• Keep. It's a list, not an article. --Nouniquenames 00:23, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
• Nouniquenames: I don't understand your argument. Lists are held to the same standards of notability as articles, aren't they?

3family6, if said print sources establish notability, either for the three individual genres or for Christian EDM in general, an article should indeed be made using those sources and the deletion of this list should probably be postponed until that has been carried out. So I guess I change my vote to a tentative keep? Perhaps you should link to these sources (if and where possible) so we can see how substantial they are.--Invisiboy42293 (talk) 00:54, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

The dance sources are mostly about The Katinas. There isn't much for Christian electronic, EDM, and techno except for passing references. There is some stuff in one book called Rapture Ready, but as a whole, not enough for articles to be created. However, this is just from a Google Book search, so there could well be more content.

But that is neither here nor there. What matters is whether the list is notable. Here is an excerpt from WP:LISTN: "A list topic is considered notable if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines; notable list topics are appropriate for a stand-alone list. The entirety of the list does not need to be documented in sources for notability, only that the grouping or set in general has been." I am not sure exactly what this means, but the terms "Christian dance music" and "Christian electronic music" have been used in reliable sources, so that should justify the list.--¿3family6 _contribs 20:40, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

I don't think so. The "above guidlines" that quote references include "significant coverage", specifically "sources [that] address the subject directly in detail" (WP:GNG). In order for the list to stay has to be notable, not just exist. Unless that requirement can be met, I think I'll change mine back to delete.

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 00:07, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

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Merge with Christian music; as a standalone list it's hard to see the musical sub-genre as being sufficiently notable. If there were sources on Christian electronica, etc., and not just the bands themselves, I'd say keep it as a standalone list; but as it is, I think it'd be more useful to merge it with the main music article. OttawaAC (talk) 02:40, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Cheers, Riley Huntley 23:12, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

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• Keep: Per WP:LISTPURP. Faustus37 (talk) 04:34, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
• Keep -- it is a harmless list. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:19, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
• Keep These artists are notable, as the first sentence of the article says; and I agree with the last comment about it being a harmless list. This can help to improve the knowledge of those who wish to research or to gain knowledge of Christian electronic music, and the list helps to show the diversity of artists who can fit in this category. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 15:55, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
• Delete. The list being "harmless" is irrelevant; of course its harmless, but it needs to be notable to be included on Wikipedia. That notability does not come from the artists but from how notable the overall topic is; otherwise, Wikipedia would be filled with lists of "Christian" versions of every single genre of music that ever existed. People who want to research this music can do so on their own, but unless the overall topic of Christian EDM is notable enough for its own article (which it so far appears not to be), the list is not notable and should not be on Wikipedia.--Invisiboy42293 (talk) 19:25, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
• keep and clarify As for filling up WP, we're NOT PAPER. We do have 10 other lists included in the List of Christian bands and artists by genre. The question I ask as someone unfamiliar with this music is whether the three groups listed have anything in common? The lede sentence giving the criteria seems to be self-contradictory: "List of notable electronic, techno, and dance Contemporary Christian music artists that play Christian electronic music." Techno is defined in the WP article on it as being a form of electronic dance music. Is this a combination list of those who play dance music, those who play techno, and those who play other forms of electronic, or is a list of those who play electronic music, including techno, and those who play electronic dance music. I assume it is not being suggested that all dance music is electronic, but is it the case that all Christian contemporary dance music is electronic? Checking the articles on the individual bands, most clearly play electronic music, but it is not explicitly clear for all of them. DGG ( talk ) 17:38, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

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